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Guide di riparazione e informazione sullo smontaggio del MacBook Pro 16" rilasciato nel novembre 2019. Modello A2141, EMC 3347.

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Torn Lid angle sensor

Hello all,

I've torn the lid angle sensor while trying to clean the inside of my computer. I've attempted to work around this by putting the computer to sleep before closing the lid however the screen turns back on as soon as it is closed. Also strange that the screen will stay on indefinitely until the battery is dead, even though i've changed my power savings settings are to turn the display off after one minute of inactivity. Its odd because if the sensor is broken and the computer thinks that it's still open, it should turn off after inactivity. The only solution i've found is to shut the computer off before closing it which is not ideal. Finally, i've found replacement cables online however i've been reading that this will need to be calibrated by a professional? Can anyone confirm if this is true?

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Update (01/09/2023)

Thank you all for the wealth of information. Just to provide an update to you all, i made sure to purchase a used angle sensor that was taken from a working computer and replaced it on my own. So far everything works as it should!

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That’s great news! Don’t forget to score the answers an accept one.

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There is another way to calibrate the sensor yourself. Check the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u18D_NPG...

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If your question is, does the lid angle sensor need to be programmed by Apple, then yes.

When you replace the display, it is mandatory to replace the Lid Angle Sensor under Apple's repair guidelines. The Lid Angle Sensor can be replaced alone, but in either of these scenarios the system needs to be run through System Configuration.

Without this, you might experience some strange issues related to sleep/wake.

UPDATE: After having done some extra research on this, I am finding that it is less likely the sensor is paired and more likely the little chip on the cable which reads the magnets orientation needs to be programmed or calibrated.

As long as the sensor has been programmed it is likely to get you going again. So a used cable would be the way to go, but still may not be a guaranteed fix due to potential variances in the magnets in use as well as positioning.

UPDATE 03/13/2024 - For sake of completion I am putting this in here for anyone who stumbles into this post. There is now a third party tool available to calibrate these sensors. It is quite pricey for one time use, but for anyone who does these repairs regularly, it is a worthy investment.

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For Bonus Points: Because I did an awful lot of research on this, here's the full picture.

Since the magnet is mounted on the display hinge. Apple replaces them in tandem to calibrate the Lid Angle Sensor to the new display's magnet rather than using the older calibration. That way the results are as Apple expects.

Without the programming altogether (as would be the case for a new cable), this is the sort of behavior others have reported. The screen just doesn't go to sleep. Ever.

People in the repair community have circumvented Apple's programming by desoldering the chip from the original cable and soldering it to the replacement cable. This way all the original programming is retained. This isn't a "for everyone" method, since it requires some pretty specific skills, but it's a viable solution.

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@flannelist - this seems odd… The hall sensor angle data won’t effect the sleep/wake from the other sensors. This sensor only makes sense if the display is at an angle. As the set is a simple digital one it doesn’t really need calibration.

The only issue of calibration in this series is if you install a virgin display. I’ve replaced a few displays without needing to deal with calibration, using used displays so why is this sensor different?

Remember the Apple repair docs are thinking new not used.

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@danj So. Because I never had to think about this, and now you sent me down an I have to find out everything about why this is the way it is rabbit hole, here’s what I found.

It’s not actually a hall effect sensor in the way that most laptops have an “OH there’s a magnet here, send the I’m closed signal!” sort of way. It actually has the ability to track more precise lid angle.

But to the calibration point. Couple things to mention.

1. Because Apple. The more they can serialize, I think the more satisfied they are with their ability to monopolize the repair space on their own products.

2. Running System Configuration on these model requires actually closing the lid during the configuration process. It’s probable the sensor needs to know what is open and what is closed since the magnet actually turns with the hinge.

3. This sensor also provides data to the board component which controls secure mic disable. Which also gets info from Secure Enclave. So there may be some cryptography at play here too.

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@flannelist - But you missed the point when we replace a full lid assembly the calibration is held within the display logic not the logic board.

The sensor is not a magnetometer as it can’t detect the fields rotation. I had thought of that and I even put my scope to it to see what it’s transition was. The magnet field from the limited testing I did appears to be directional so the Hall sensor is setup as a simple no-go-no state. I didn’t have time to check the angle but I’m certain it’s about 45 degrees.

So while it would be ideal to calibrate, the simple fact is unless that feature was important replacing the sensor won’t effect the rest of the systems use.

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@danj I'm updating my original response with a bunch of extra data I got from some additional digging. I'm not trying to be contrarian, I just want to make sure people have the full picture.

Sometimes repair is guesswork and sometimes its experimentation. I would just rather folks have the info to make an educated guess if they need to guess at all. Most people just want to fix their thing, and are not as invested ans I am, or you are in figuring out the mechanics of what and why.

I genuinely want to know how the mechanism here functions since it is different from the old fashioned logic present in most MacBooks or laptops. It is not a simple on/off hall sensor which rely on yes/no magnetic presence. Those hall sensors have 3 pins in most cases. The IC on the lid angle sensor has 14. That's a lot of extra data for yes/no.

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@flannelist - Don’t get lost in the chips pin count. The sensor is not a single hall sensor as that wouldn’t work. Here we have at least three: Target and the Sides. A simple comparator is used to isolate the target angle from the left and right hence the simple no-go-no state.

I don’t have access to a system and spare part to tryout. I think you’ll find the system will work. Yes, Apple is going crazy with locking down it’s major parts. This is not likely to be Serialized. But the proof is with the pudding!

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Thanks @bencejones @flannelist @danj for investigating. I had the same issue with my MBP 16 2019.

To describe the problem: When I closed the lid, the screen of the MacBook turned black - but then turned instantly back on. I could see the screen light shimmer through the gap of the closed lid. And if I turned the Mac off before I closed the lid, I could hear the sound of it booting up again. So I was unable to carry the Macbook around in my backpack because it got hot and drained the battery.

Encouraged by the responses here and the update, I ordered a used sensor at ebay. It goes under the name:

"Apple Macbook Pro 16" A2141 2019 Lid Angle Sleep Wake Sensor Flex Cable,02617-A"

It cost me a total of 47,10$ which includes 22$ for the part, 17,58$ for shipping and 7,52$ tax.

Repair took 30 minutes.

It is pretty easy because essentially you just disconnect the battery, remove the cover of the hinge and the cover of the sensor and exchange the sensor.

I used this repair guide. (Originally it is for battery replacement, but of course you do NOT need to exchange the battery).

Sostituzione batteria MacBook Pro 16" 2019

But I followed only these steps:

  • Disable AutoBoot and disconnect the Battery (Steps 1 - 16)
  • Remove Hinge Cover (Step 27) (only on the right side).
  • Disconnect lid angle sensor connector (Step 32, 33, and 34). The steps also describe how to disconnect the touch bar cable, but don't do that.

Then I exchanged the sensor.

Everything is fine now. Touch ID works and also secure mic. So the sensor seems not to be married to the TouchID Button.

And when I close the lid, the Mac goes to sleep. :-)

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Sadly, I don’t have a solid answer as we still don’t know Apples reason for the sensor as they never offered even a clue!

Now we have done some speculation, the only logical reason is if you don’t close the lid but instead place it at 45 angle 📐so the speakers sound is reflected outward to the front.

So in my opinion unless that’s important, I would just replace it.

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I have the opposite issue, my screen stays blank but I can hear the voice over perfectly fine and the caps lock light turns on too, but for some reason the display, touch-bar and keyboard backlight stay off

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Did you also tear the lid angle sensor? Or it just started this randomly?

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